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LOCATION

"Located on a horn-shaped peninsula astride the Bosphorus and the Sea of Marmara, ... Constantinople dominated the narrow waterway that divides Europe from Asia. The complexities of that geography provided both advantages and challenges to the site's defense. A steep and rugged shoreline and the Sea of Marmara's swift currents protected the southern coast. To the north the Golden Horn, an inlet that bordered the peninsula, was a natural anchorage and harbor. The ancient Lycus River ran diagonally northwest to southeast across the peninsula, forming a narrow valley that sectioned the city into two distinct areas-a chain of six hills running along the Golden Horn to the north, and a single, larger hill to the south." (From here



INFRASTRUCTURE AND POPULATION

Originally a city with formidable walls, which kept it safe for centuries, with the development of new siege weaponry and tactics many of the walls were breached. The wall still provides an important physical d
elineation of the city proper and only  citizens and subjects are allowed (officially) to live within the city walls. But the original walled city is of course not big enough to hold everyone, and so sprawling suburbs have grown up just outside the city; the further out you get, the more like shanty towns they look. The exception to this is the part of the city that is on the other side of the water; this is where rich families build their large mansions to get out of the dirt and noise of the city, though many important people still keep a city centre house or apartment too. I'll work on a map with place names and so on but for now this is Istanbul in 1922, which should give you a sense of the scale of the city. 

The most popular form of cross-country travel is steam train, and there is a railway station in the city. There is also an airport for dirigibles on the other side of the water. The port is extremely important for both commercial and leisure travel as well as trade and is full of steamships and steamboats


The city officially has a population of 1 million, though it's actually rather larger - the census data records only citizens and subjects and their families. The city has an extremely diverse racial and cultural profile (see also here). 

ECONOMY

The city is massively significant as an international trading point - as well as being an important site of commerce in its own right, it's also a junction of land and sea trading routes. In terms of local industry, the province is famed for its tobacco, silk, olive oil, cotton and fruit. Any luxury can be bought in the city, either made by local artisans or brought in by merchants. There's also a huge service industry: household servants, beauty industry, restaurants... The currency of the city is the Kostantiniyee pound (£), which is made up of 100 qirsh. (I have borrowed this from Egypt!) Here's average salaries:

Member of the Common Council: £2000 per year (set by the City), plus an entertainment and expenses allowance
Merchant: likely to turn a profit, after expenses (taxes, loss of goods etc) of between £500 and £5000 a year, depending on the scale of their interests (e.g. level of trade - international scope, type of goods traded, risk)
University professors and religious leaders: £150 - 1000 p.a., depending on rank and skills
Craftsman of a prestigious guild (such as the Goldsmiths): £500 - 1000 p.a.
Craftsman of a less prestigious guild (such as the Tanners): £150 - 500 p.a.
Unskilled worker: £50-100 p.a. (less if they are a domestic servant and live in the employer's household)

Everyone pays taxes of one kind or another. There are:
PROPERTY TAXES: on ownership of private property, and on ownership OR rental of commercial property (i.e. if you rent a property for commercial purposes, you are liable for the taxes on it too, not the owner)
INCOME TAXES: these are fairly unsophisticated - there is a flat fee of £50 a year for citizens and £15 for subjects (see here for these terms)
TAXES ON IMPORTS AND EXPORTS: these are kept fairly low, which is part of the reason the city is a very important trading route.



CLIMATE QUICKNOTES: I'm just gonna c&p from Wikipedia here, y'all:

"Summer weather in Istanbul is moderately warm, with the temperature in July and August averaging 24 °C (75 °F).Extreme heat, however, is uncommon, as temperatures rise above 32 °C (90 °F) on only five days per year on average. Rainfall is also uncommon during the summer, with only four or five rainy days per month. Winters are cold, wet and often snowy, with the temperature in January and February averaging 4 °C (39 °F). Snowfalls tend to be heavy, but snowcover and temperatures below freezing rarely last more than a few days. Spring and autumn are mild, but often wet and unpredictable; chilly winds from the northwest and warm gusts from the south—sometimes in the same day—have the tendency to cause fluctuations in temperature."

Date: 2012-04-21 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silence-excolo.livejournal.com
A quick question - With Konstantiniyye being such a melting pot & quite full of wealth & culture, along with the emphasis on naval power, would there have been the same surge of piracy on the high seas as in our world? I'm still reading up on everything (and it's almost 3am, so I'm sure to have missed some stuff), but I'm guessing trade routes would be fairly different, not to mention relations between Great Britain &, well, everyone else? XD

Date: 2012-04-21 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
One of the reasons I was thinking about relationships with other countries was trade routes! :D

Date: 2012-04-22 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tezcatl-ipoca.livejournal.com
I had not been thinking about this at all. >.>

Date: 2012-04-22 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silence-excolo.livejournal.com
Actually, I had ^__^ There's a fine line between pirates & privateers!

Date: 2012-04-22 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tezcatl-ipoca.livejournal.com
heh, my >.> was *shiftyeyes* because i'd been thinking about it...definitely something for the two of us to liaise on? :D

Date: 2012-04-22 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silence-excolo.livejournal.com
Oh, I see, sir; seems I misread your shifty eyes... We do seem to be of like minds on the issue, then? XD I've been looking for (yet another) excuse to read up on piracy!

Date: 2012-04-22 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tezcatl-ipoca.livejournal.com
Eeeexcellent.... *plots vaguely*

Date: 2012-04-23 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silence-excolo.livejournal.com
I was also wondering if Konstantiniyye might be something akin to what Port Royal was in it's day; perhaps a touch less debauched, but still a haven for merchants & traders, religiously & culturally diverse, but with separate powers hiring out to undermine the riches of other countries. The Brits basically started the whole privateering thing to undermine the Spanish IIRC, but while most of that ended with the Queen Anne's War & the Treaty of Portsmouth, piracy still continued well into the 1700s. So perhaps they continued after losing Constantinople?

Hmm, I think I need to research more on trade routes :D

Date: 2012-04-23 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
Privateering on the part of the British definitely continued into the C19th - letters of marque were very much being issued during both the war with America and the wars with France....

Date: 2012-04-23 03:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silence-excolo.livejournal.com
YOU, my friend, are smart. I did not know that. Of course, most of my so-called research has been restricted to the "golden age" of piracy, you know, for my performance. I have much to learn :D *is giddY*

Date: 2012-04-23 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
Whereas mine has been directed towards the Napoleonic era of the British navy XD

Date: 2012-04-21 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snakey.livejournal.com
Hmm, I wasn't sure which section to put this in: wondering if the city is divided into different areas/quarters by religion or ethnicity? And how strongly that's enforced?

Date: 2012-04-22 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrain.livejournal.com
Tying into that (okay, in my brain, which is bouncing around a bit), is there a city guard? How strict are they? (I am reminded of the anecdote in Bloody Business about police investigating the disappearance of a maid, and when one of the officers found a bloody nightgown, another burnt it and then scolded him for thinking of troubling the home owner with this detail.)

And how does it deal with neighbourhoods that have decided, for whatever reason, that they would like their own protection--e.g., an impromptu Neighbourhood Watch in one of the suburbs, or private guards hired by the elite families (or branching family) on the other side of the water?

Date: 2012-04-22 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tezcatl-ipoca.livejournal.com
Oooh. I wonder if they can be hacked....

Date: 2012-04-22 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tezcatl-ipoca.livejournal.com
Yesssssss. *eyes thread about privateering too*

Date: 2012-04-23 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glass-beddau.livejournal.com
*squeak of delight, equal parts glee and Pratchett and this-one-setting-John-came-up-with*

Migod. That could be awesome.

Date: 2012-04-27 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] middlemarching.livejournal.com
I'll work on a map with place names and so on but for now this is Istanbul in 1922, which should give you a sense of the scale of the city.

Okay, I see where I got 1922 from earlier. :P The date stuck in my head when it shouldn't have.

The detail here is outstanding! I'm agonizingly excited to get involved in this.

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